[SOLVED] A switch to turn on/ off rules

[vooodooo1974 (Thomas Fischer)]

Hi, I’ve a simple question about switching a rule on and off:
l’m pretty sure that I need to create a switch item. My Question is how this Item can be created via paperUI…
Thanks in advance

Tom

[Bruce_Osborne]

You just makes a Switch Item and have the rules check the state of that Item before executing.

[vzorglub (Vincent Regaud)]

@vooodooo1974

My Question is how this Item can be created via paperUI…

Create your things in the paperUI
Create your items in files

[MDAR (Stuart Hanlon, UK importer of Velbus hardware)]

@vooodooo1974

My Question is how this Item can be created via paperUI…

If you’ve activated “Simply Linking” then you can’t.

However, if Simple Linking is off, then just go to
Configuration / Items

And create an Item

I guess you’d be looking for a state checking rule like this as a way to enable or condition a rule ?

Velbus glass panel button

I understand the confusion, especially if you’re thinking about ‘virtual items’. You’d use the State of a virtual Item in a similar way to how you’d use a trigger Channel of a Velbus Thing (Note the Title case usage there) An Item and a trigger Channel are both something that can be used in the When section of a rule. With the added bonus that Item States can also be queried during the Then section of a rule. (As you’ve done with your Sonos Volume) For example rule "example triggers and q…

[rlkoshak (Rich Koshak)]

If using scripted automation, you can enable or disable rules from PaperUI or from other rules. See https://openhab-scripters.github.io/openhab-helper-libraries/Guides/But%20How%20Do%20I.html#enable-or-disable-a-rule-by-uid.

[vooodooo1974 (Thomas Fischer)]

Hi,
with a little help from this https://community.openhab.org/t/disabling-a-rule-with-a-switch/3869/8 i’ve done that:

1. created a item

2. modified my blinds/roller shutter rule:

rule “Rolladen hoch bei Sonnenaufgang”
when
Channel ‘astro:sun:local:civilDawn#event’ triggered START
then
if (Rolladensteuerung_AnAus_Switch.state == OFF) return false {
Rolladen_ALLE.sendCommand(1);
Rolladen_Hauswirtschaftsraum_BlindsControl.sendCommand(100)
}
End

3. then I connected one of the “roller shutter”-things to the item (that’s the part I’m very unsure about) - just to make the switch visible (e.g. in the controls of the PaperUI).

I thought “great, there is a ‘switch’-channel in the FIBARO Roller Shutter - thing” to connect my item … but can it work that way …?

PS: @rlkoshak: Thanks für your input and link … but I’m afraid that is far beyond my skills

[rossko57]

@vooodooo1974

then I connected one of the “roller shutter”-things to the item (that’s the part I’m very unsure about) - just to make the switch visible (e.g. in the controls of the PaperUI).

I don’t understand this at all.

Let’s point out that PaperUI is an adminstrative interface. It’s not for everyday use. It provides some controls for limited testing, but no customizing.

So if you are compromising your design to work with PaperUI you are probably doing it wrong.

[ljsquare (Laurens Jan Merkx)]

@vooodooo1974

I thought “great, there is a ‘switch’-channel in the FIBARO Roller Shutter - thing” to connect my item … but can it work that way …?

Nope, you don’t connect the roller shutter channel to the newly created item Rolladensteuerung_AnAus_Switch.state. This item is a virtual item (for more info: Design Pattern: Unbound Item (aka Virtual Item)) to prevent the rule from running. It must not be connected to a channel.

your rule should be like:

rule “Rolladen hoch bei Sonnenaufgang”
when
    Channel ‘astro:sun:local:civilDawn#event’ triggered START
then
    if (Rolladensteuerung_AnAus_Switch.state == OFF) return;
    
    Rolladen_ALLE.sendCommand(1);
    Rolladen_Hauswirtschaftsraum_BlindsControl.sendCommand(100)
end

[vooodooo1974 (Thomas Fischer)]

o.k. - but … ist there a way to get this (virtual) switch on the paperUI-Control …?

[Bruce_Osborne]

@vooodooo1974

ist there a way to get this (virtual) switch on the paperUI-Control

No and there is no reason to do that.
The Basic UI is meant for control. the Paper UI is just to administer openHAB. Some people use HABPanel instead of the Basic UI.

[vooodooo1974 (Thomas Fischer)]

Solution - Summary:
… help from this Disabling a rule with a switch - #8 by Spaceman_Spiff i’ve done that:

1. created a item - here via paperUI

2. modified my blinds/roller shutter rule:

rule “Rolladen hoch bei Sonnenaufgang”
when
Channel ‘astro:sun:local:civilDawn#event’ triggered START
then
if (Rolladensteuerung_AnAus_Switch.state == OFF) return false {
Rolladen_ALLE.sendCommand(1);
Rolladen_Hauswirtschaftsraum_BlindsControl.sendCommand(100)
}
End

3. Use the ITEM “Rolladensteuerung_AnAus_Switch” in a HABpanel - configuration, because there’s no way to bring this ITEM in the paperUI-Controll-Section (sorry for the screenshot in german language:
   
   
   
   

[MDAR (Stuart Hanlon, UK importer of Velbus hardware)]

Hi

One tiny detail.

Are you ‘persisting’ the state of your new Switch Item on a system restart?

Because, the state of the Item will not be OFF at startup, but rather NULL or null (I’m not quite sure what the technical difference is between those, but I understand that there is a difference.)

You might want to flip the IF logic to account for this.

Something like…

rule “Rolladen hoch bei Sonnenaufgang”

when

Channel ‘astro:sun:local:civilDawn#event’ triggered START

then

if (Rolladensteuerung_AnAus_Switch.state == ON) {

Rolladen_ALLE.sendCommand(1)

 Rolladen_Hauswirtschaftsraum_BlindsControl.sendCommand(100)

}

End