Fibaro FGD 212 activating rule by scene number poll issue

[Danonym1 (Dan Smidsrød)]

Hi

I have some issues with triggering rules by scene from my Fibaro Dimmer 2. I use the native z-wave binding (2.1).
Tried to search the forum for similar issue but couldn’t find anything. Any help is appreciated.

So basically triggering a rule when Scene id changes to a specific number is not a problem.

First issue.
If I try to trigger the same scene in a row, OpenHAB does not catch this since there is no change in value. Using a postUpdate on the SceneID the first time the rule was triggered fixes this issue. Not ideal but an easy fix.

Second issue.
My systerm is set up to poll the z-wave nodes. Now running a postUpdate on the SceneID fixes the issue with triggering the same scene in a row, but when the node is polled the SceneID is updated and the rule is triggered again. Not so ideal.
So does anyone have a fix for this? Earlier i ran my z-wave nodes on a vera edge and I had multiple items I used to handle this. Basically I had a switch that also triggered together with the scene number (always after) This way I used the switch item as trigger for the rules.

[sihui]

@Danonym1

OpenHAB does not catch this since there is no change in value.

Use received update instead of changed as trigger.

[Danonym1 (Dan Smidsrød)]

Thanks sihui, that solves my first issue at least

Any ideas for the second one?
Feel like I have missed something here, I cant be the only one with this kind of issue with scenes on Fibaro.

[Danonym1 (Dan Smidsrød)]

The forum post below actually discuss the same issue, and there doesn’t seem to be a solution.
I’m a little surprised though, basically I cant see how anyone could get this to work properly with any z-wave device with a scene functionality. That is if they have polling enabled, but I would guess most have. Unsure if you can even turn it off from the z-wave binding.

Rule with received command is not fired

Thanks guys for replying. Unfortunately the normal zwave update/wakeup triggers the rule which is causing disturbance for the lights… I set the wake up time to 1 week for now. I wanted to use in-wall relays but i have only the live wire running behind the face plate and no access to neutral wire at all Is there a smart solution for this case??

[sihui]

@Danonym1

I cant see how anyone could get this to work properly with any z-wave device with a scene functionality.

Works without any issues (six FGR222 rollershutters), but I do not

@Danonym1

My systerm is set up to poll the z-wave nodes.

poll any zwave devices.
Is there any benefit or usecase for polling zwave devices?

[Danonym1 (Dan Smidsrød)]

Hmm after playing with this for a while I do not see the problems I had before. It might be that I experienced the issues when running my z-wave network through the z-way binding. So it does not seem that polling of the z-wave devices cause the rules to trigger when set to received updated. Or it could be that I’m completely misunderstanding this and that my earlier problem was only caused by the z-way binding. Anyway thanks for the help sihui!

@sihui

Is there any benefit or usecase for polling zwave devices?

I’m no expert on this but as far as i know the benefits of polling your devices is to have correct status of the devices, off course this should not be necessary if you have a “perfect” network where all messages are received. And the disadvantage of polling is off course increased network traffic.

[sihui]

@Danonym1

to have correct status

In a “default” setup (without polling) all devices have a correct and recent status if the association groups are correctly set. Also the configuration parameters should be set that a device triggers and does not need to be polled (for example a luminance sensor).

I remember reading some threads about certain Qubino devices which may have some problems with that.
Here are some nice explanations from Chris how triggering instead of polling should work:

(Changed) Polling period for Qubino 2 Flush (Z-wave) Relais sensors set to 30 min?

Hi, I am struggling to get reliable power meter updates for Qubino 2 Flush Relais (Z-wave) units in OH2. I do get a first reading when I start openhab and the connection is made, but then the values of the power meter are not updated anymore, independently if I switch a light on manually (wall switch) or via OH2-UI. My first reaction was the Qubino units are buggy and I went to the shop to get them checked. We wired them up and connected the units to another home automation system and they imm…

[Danonym1 (Dan Smidsrød)]

@sihui

In a “default” setup (without polling)…

I thought default was about 30min poll intervalls?

@sihui

I remember reading some threads about certain Qubino devices which may have some problems with that.

Why did you get me started I have a few Qubino devices (dimmers) and have never had the time to investigate their faulty device statuses properly. And after reading for some hours now I think I’ll just leave them like it is
On a sidenote I’ve had a few of these “explode” as well.
Safe to say I will not be buying any Qubino dimmers in the near future.