I’m after something that is
Yes, RF is “fire-and-forget” - you don’t get any feedback to OpenHAB.
Going cheaper might mean sacrificing point 2 - for me, the Sonoff is the right price range, but requires a little bit of work when you first unbox it to make it work locally. This payoff is worthwhile to me! Is it worth saving of £25 per device to you? 
Yes I agree saving £25 per device is definitely appealing it just seems like quite a complicated job to flash each device and understanding how to add it to OH and setup all the commands confuses me
I don’t think RF is suited to my needs then , I don’t want things to be Maby turned on and off lol
Doesent anybody sell these devices pre flashed ?
Giving this video a try is it the same process for all sonoff devices ?
[EDIT] I have watched the linked video if it’s the same process for all sonoff devices it seems simple enougth up until you start adding it too OH
The soldering looked hard too as the device is so small is it possible to not solder ? I don’t own a solder iron
Not sure about getting the flashing device up and running either
Adding to OH seems hard
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I understand it’s the same with everything like you say I’m not scared off by words I don’t understand lol
There’s a lot I still need to learn about openhab if got no clue what sitemaps are or what they do I haven’t got a clue how to use a lot of Habpannel and a lot more
Hopefully I will get there but I know I am going have to learn a lot there’s some complicated rules I would like to get up and running eventually
So the method you mentioned OTA Upgrade you just connect the device to your wifi network as is from the box run some special magic software from my Windows machine and then that’s done apart from adding to OH
Is that process the same for all Sonoff devices it would save buying a flash device and solder iron ect and be easyer to achieve
There’s a way to do it without any soldering now - there’s a script you run to update it over the network, “faking” a genuine update to install the new firmware. There’s instructions to follow, but that’s the case with anything… 
Once you have a single device up and running on OH (there’s plenty of guides and threads here to help), then adding more is a case of pretty much copying and pasting!
There’s a few concepts to learn with OH, until you’ve got a basic grasp of the terminology it’ll seem daunting, but it’s really not!
As you have noticed, whatever kind of device you choose, there will be help either already posted or guys like @Confused (at least that is what I make out of his statements) or me on the forum that are willing to help make it work.
Yes, the forum here has helped me get the basics up and running, I’m certainly happy to help where I do have knowledge, that’s what these communities are all about.
It’ll all click for you soon, getting hold of a device and making it work will give you a great sense of achievement!
I think I’m going to grab a sonoff S20 and give it a try
Is it possable to make this compatible using the OTA method you mentioned?
Do the buttons on the device allow you to manually toggle the power?
The fourm has already helped me and pointed me in the right direction I’m thankful for the help and look forward to more posts just get some power switches up and running and then I will post my bigger questions that show why I labled myself noob
Yes the S20 is compatible with Tasmota, and can be installed OTA. The button on the device itself can toggle the power, and that status can be fed back into OH.
You might need to bust out a Virtual Machine with Linux to do the update - this home automation stuff tends to be better suited to Linux than Windows… But that’s another fun bit of learning!!
Keep us updated, and don’t be afraid to ask if you get stuck!
I have no experience using Linux but spinning up a vm is no worry if I found a guide to follow I’m pretty sure I could do that
Thanks for your help on that I will post a new post when I order the device
What other sensors are you using in your system I’m also interested in some lighting controll , door/Window sensors , Thermometers , motion
If you can solder you could use openmqttgateway …