I am migrating a network from one network homeID to a new one. I am using the same controller card, but now managed by the z-wave binding. I chose this method rather than excluding everything then including again because I have a large-ish network and need to set everything up in steps. And in the mean time, I need some associations to work, so while my strategy is not perfect I at least managed this.
Anyway, I find myself quite confused about the exclusion that I need to do for each device in order to include into openHAB. It seems that setting the controller in exclusion mode for devices that are not a “thing” in OH already is something you do in habmin. Or is there another way? The reason I ask this is that I am confused about the feedback of habmin when it comes to exclusion. Often I get no feedback that the exclusion went through. If I am lucky then, the device is one of them that behaves differently when they are not in a network - like the Fibaro Dimmer 2 which will gradually dim up and down when not included. That way I know. But, for other devices it can be hard to tell and I then need to try to include the device multiple times, or exclude multiple times in iteration to eventually get things working.
The “multiple times” part is tiresome, and I have just started on the project of moving ~ 80 devices over, so if there is a better or more verbose way of doing this, I would appreciate the information.
If I understand you, you are still using the same controller, so why do you need to exclude the devices at all? You only need to exclude if you change to a different network controller… Maybe I misunderstood?
Ah - ok, then you will need to exclude or reset them…
HABmin is the best way to exclude - you can in theory do it in PaperUI as well, but there will be absolutely no feedback. HABmin will provide you a popup if the device was excluded - of course, if it’s not excluded, there will be no such popup…
You will have to have the devices within range of your controller to exclude them - put HABmin into exclude mode, then put the device into exclude mode within 30 seconds. Repeat this for every device you want to exclude.
Your other options if you have a lot of devices is to factory reset the devices and the controller. This might be quicker?
Thank you for your input. I am seeing about 1/5 - ⅓ of cases where the devices is actually excluded, but habmin tells me nothing (or something different). The Fibaro dimmer 2 devices are good for spotting this, because they will start dimming up and down once they dont belong to a network. Many of them are then excluded, but I get no feedback from the binding / habmin (I am on openhab 2 stable). Thermostats are also good for spotting this, since at least mine (HeatIt) give feedback when they considered themselves excluded from the network. I know now not to trust the feedback from habmin / the binding so I try to exclude two times, and if I get no feedback (and it is not one of these devices) then I try to include. And sometimes it work.
Yes, this is quicker. And am starting to love Fibaro now for including this option in all of their newer devices. I wish all of them had a reset option that is not based on performing an exclusion.
The binding will only give feedback of course if the controller tells the binding that a device is excluded - this might not always happen either…
As far as I’m aware, all devices should have such a feature. I have some very old Fibaro devices, and for sure they have a reset function and I don’t think I’ve seen any device that doesn’t have some way to reset to factory defaults (but maybe there are some - would be strange though).
You maybe right actually. I did not notice that they seem to all have a reset functionally somehow.
The Qubino one is awkward, basically like an exclusion, but resetting devices seems like a good strategy overall.
Can you explain why this is a problem? I have a UZB which is being used by Z-way and I was hoping to move it over to openHAB without having to exclude/include every device. This may throw a wrench into my plans, so I would like to get more information. Is this not possible because of secure inclusion with Z-way for some reason?
I can report that so far I am very happy with the stable binding. Much less sluggish than the Z-way setup I had before. Now, the issue in Z-way may have been also that I had everything included securely. Now, since the version of the z-wave binding I am using does not support it, I am not including devices securely. So, this could also be part of the fantastic improvement that I am seeing.
Anyway, I just wanted to say that I am very happy with the performance of my system. Not all devices have been included yet, but enough to convince me that this will work…