Hi!
I have been looking for a z-wave lock for some time now. As this is a security-related issue, it must of course meet all the requirements. For this reason, I would also like to use facial recognition as a security feature.
Therefore, I cannot use such a lock, as this would open immediately as soon as the correct PIN or fingerprint is recognized, without taking facial recognition into account.
Unfortunately, I have not found a keypad with a fingerprint sensor for Z-Wave.
Now my questions: Does anyone have experience with this? Can anyone give me tips for the required hardware or suggest alternatives?
Unfortunately, Iām a bit stuck on the subject and would be grateful for any help.
Googling āZ-Wave fingerprint door lockā gave me a pretty quick answer. I donāt know where you live, so maybe itās not available in your region.
I canāt say how this works exactly, since I donāt have one. I would guess that the BT/WiFi connection is needed for setting up the fingerprint recognition, and then it can also communicate directly with a Z-Wave controller.
As Markus noted, you may be overcomplicating things. If someone really wants to break into your house and you donāt have a security system, any window will do.
If your circumstances dictate a need for higher security, then a homebrewed openHAB system is going in the opposite direction (in my opinion), because now someone can gain access to your house by hacking into your network. Do I think this will happen? No, probably not. But itās still a possibility that didnāt exist until you connected your lock to a computer. For this reason, I think of connected door locks as being more about convenience than security.
If you want the best bang-for-your-buck, multi-factor door-lock solution, use a keypad deadbolt that isnāt connected to a computer and a regular lock with uncopyable keys (e.g. Medeco). This will make it more difficult for anyone to get through your door, including you.
Of course I also found this lock but it is only for US market and I donāt think I can check for face recognition before the lock will open.
The only thing Iām always leaving the house with, is not my wallet or my phone but my keys and I donāt think that I will use it a lot but my wife tends to forget her keys from time to time and I want to give her the opportunity to get in without a key but I want to make it as secure as possible.
Thatās why I want to use a keypad or a fingerprint sensor with face recognition to use only a drive like Danalock v3 to open the door.
But it seems like it is very hard to connect a keypad with fingerprint sensor to openhab.
On its own (without openHAB) a keypad is as secure as a keyā¦if not more. A key can be lost and/or copied, but the only people who will ever know the keypad codes are your wife and you.
By adding a fingerprint and/or facial recognition, youāre adding complexity. However, as I mentioned before, youāre not really increasing security since now youāre requiring your lock to be online.
I would suggest that you get a Z-Wave keypad lock, but connect it to openHAB without using S2 Security. This way, you can get notifications from your lock, but not send commands to it. Itās the same degree of security as your current key lock, with the added benefit of notifications (so arguably more secure).
Plus, you can even use it to automatically turn the lights on when you come home. Thatās seriously one of my favourite things about my door lock.
I used to have a ZWave Danalock v2, now I own a Nuki. Not ZWave any more but as-safe and as-functional (better in fact). I think they also have an optional keypad but as said and restated by Russ, donāt overdo things. Facial recognition is overkill and unnecessary increase in complexity.
You can use it to unlock your phone but not standalone.
Iām not sure, thereās facial recognization available at consumer devices for a door lockā¦ At least didnāt came across for the last decade.
I once played around with having a webcam stream scanned for that, but itāll work only on day, only really high-end cameras would allow for enough features to get a clear image for a facial training. and I also didnāt want to open the door, but to have some other low-level customizations ready, if I wouldāve recognized persons reliable, which I did not achieve
Whatās your concern without facial recognition? I use a fingerprint only entry system since 12 years, and thatās more than enough security for me (and I asked my insurance company, theyāre ok with it also).
in fact thereās a bunch of it, already with bindings, like ekey.net for example - and nuki.io also has fingerprint capabilities as of late.
We have also kids and when they get older they could also use the keypad instead of potentially losing a key.
Why do I require my lock to be online?
This part I didnāt understand. Why should I use a less secure connection to get notifications? And I also donāt understand the technical reason why I only can get notifications when not using S2.
I have doubletake with compreface up and running and it seems to work pretty good, so it is not a deal breaker in my eyes and I would like to at least give it a try.
The Nuki Keypad also requires a Nuki lock, so there will be no way to get in between.
ekey looks promising, but if there are so many, maybe you have one where the keypad-fingerprint-combination doesnāt cost 1300,-ā¬? Thatās quite a price to pay.
I assume that your openHAB system is connected to your WiFi, which is connected to the Internet. So if your lock can be controlled from openHAB (which would be necessary with your desire to use a separate fingerprint/facial recognition system that unlocks the door), your door lock is online.
I donāt personally worry about this too much, but you said that you want the most secure solution.
Hereās the difference:
with secure inclusion: all features, including ability to command the lock.
without secure inclusion, all features except ability to command the lock.
Notifications work both ways, but again, you said that you want the most secure solution. If so, youāll want to make it impossible for openHAB to unlock your door.
I agree with the previous statements that if itās security youāre after, leave OH out of the equation (at least regarding control). Having standalone security sensors (fingerprint, facial recognition) presents a lot of security problems, mainly preventing replay attacks (you can never trust anything a device states about itself without verification).
But even if that should be solved, OH is the weakest link since it doesnāt have any security model. I donāt know how you planned to connect these different sensors, but if itās via OH, anyone with access could just set the Items for āvalid fingerprintā/āvalid faceā to the correct state, and then command the door to unlock.
There is no way of knowing if the state of an Item actually originates from the connected device
I use a Yale lock with only (6-digit) PIN, and optional RFID-tags, and have no concerns about the security of it. Having several required authentication methods just adds annoyance when things donāt work properly (yes when, not if).
Only PIN or only fingerprint sensor is not enough for me, so I would like to have an additional layer of security. If someone has a lock with a fingerprint sensor and a keypad, that would be enough for me.
The only locks I have found are Ultraloq (the one mentioned above), which is only for North American market.
The one from lockly is also North American market only.
And I wrote two time to Kaadas where I could buy one of there products but they never responded.
I only want to add facial recognition because I could not find a device with PIN and fingerprint sensor.
I think the keypad is missing ā¦
But that can only be done if the person already has access to my network or physical access to my OH device, so Iām not worried about that.
The only suggestion I have left is to put two smart locks on your door: one with a fingerprint sensor and one with a PIN code.
If so, you must have bulletproof network security. Iām far more concerned about someone gaining access to my network than figuring out the PIN code to my smart lock. But realistically:
I think you could get face recognition with any ip camera or some of the doorbell options that include a camera have it. I think most folks use it for unlocking the door remotely when they are actually home and just donāt feel like walking to the door to let someone they know in
Markus video gave me a chuckle, kind of the funny thing about home automation, always something you donāt think of
