Google assistant - UI and dimmable light

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Sorry if I write again about this topic…after some days that I’m trying to do a very I thing simple task I’m very frustated…
according to the post
post and @rlkoshak and @JustinG and @Wolfgang_S I’m not an expert user so I want to don’t use the file configuration but only the UI. The UI have less documentation but doesn’t metter is self documenting … @rlkoshak I want to control a dimmable light…very simple and this light can also change the color temperature…

then I try to swithc form the configuration file like this:


Group  gLuceLuceCucina2 "Luce Cucina 2" (gLuceCucina2) { ga="SpecialColorLight" [ colorUnit="kelvin", colorTemperatureRange="2600,6999" ] }
Switch sLuceCucina2 <light> (gLuceCucina2) ["Switch"]  { channel="deconz:colortemperaturelight:00212E02482D:00158d0005061c8d01:brightness", ga="lightBrightness"  }
Dimmer gLuceCucina2BrightnessItem       (gLuceLuceCucina2) { channel="deconz:colortemperaturelight:00212E02482D:00158d0005061c8d01:brightness", ga="lightBrightness" }
Number gLuceCucina2ColorTemperatureItem (gLuceLuceCucina2) { channel="deconz:colortemperaturelight:00212E02482D:00158d0005061c8d01:color_temperature", ga="lightColorTemperature" }

from the UI configuration as the picture below. But with the file works I mean with Google Assistant I’m able to see that there is a device called Luce Cucina 2. With the UI Google Assistant say that there isn’t devices…

sorry if I ask something of very stupid but after some days and many hours to try to configure something someone can explain me what I’m doing of wrong? Really I want to swith from Home Assistant to Open Hub but for my until now is like a mountain!

Thank you for your patience.

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You’ve not shown us the most important part. What’s the Google Assistant metadata set to for all the Items? In particular, according to the docs the parent Group Luce Cucina 2 needs to have metadata added too, in this case it should just be Light.

The word “SpecialColorLight” doesn’t exist in the docs anywhere so that’s not a valid Google Assistant metadata.

Furthermore, the docs also say that the Switch Item needs to be lightPower

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Sorry @rlkoshak but is not this the part with the Google Assistant Metadata?

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Anyway I put the Light in Group Luce Cucina 2 and doesn’t work…

In the code and in the UI I try ScecialColorLight because is written somewere in the forum and works.

Anyway can you please explain me better how I have to configure the lights in the UI with the correct metadata? Or can please show me where is explained in some others topics or documentation?
Really I’m trying to do my best but I’m not able to solve myself the problem :sleepy:

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I don’t have a light like this exposed to google assistant. So all I have to go on are the docs (linked to above).

Yes indeed. But you didn’t show that in your reply above. You showed it for the three Point Items but not the Equipment Group. If you don’t show it, we can only assume you didn’t do it.

Speaking of which, did you fix the sLucCucina2 Item? As I said above, the docs say it should be lightPower.

Note, I discovered that this metadata changed for the yet to be released OH 3.4: Google Assistant | openHAB. That’s where the “SpecialColorLight” comes from. So if you are on OH 3.3, use “Light”. If on 3.4 or later, use “SpecialColorLight”.

And to verify, after changing the metadata, you are asking Google Assistant to sync devices, right? GA won’t pick up changes on its own. You have to tell it to.

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I think my openhab is 3.3

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but then I try to show you all the pictures…
In the equipment I put light as metadata of google assistant

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then light brightness as attribute in the brightness channel of the light

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then lightPower as metadata as you and documentation suggest

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and then lightcolortemperature as attributes in the lightcolor channel

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but still if I ask to google to integrate openhab say mee that there is no devices…If I create the equipment like the code:

Group  gLuceLuceCucina2 "Luce Cucina 2" (gLuceCucina2) { ga="SpecialColorLight" [ colorUnit="kelvin", colorTemperatureRange="2600,6999" ] }
Switch sLuceCucina2 <light> (gLuceCucina2) ["Switch"]  { channel="deconz:colortemperaturelight:00212E02482D:00158d0005061c8d01:brightness", ga="lightBrightness"  }
Dimmer gLuceCucina2BrightnessItem       (gLuceLuceCucina2) { channel="deconz:colortemperaturelight:00212E02482D:00158d0005061c8d01:brightness", ga="lightBrightness" }
Number gLuceCucina2ColorTemperatureItem (gLuceLuceCucina2) { channel="deconz:colortemperaturelight:00212E02482D:00158d0005061c8d01:color_temperature", ga="lightColorTemperature" }

immediatly google assistant found the device Luce Cucina 2. But still as you suggest I don’t want to use the code because I’m not expert and I have to concentrate in the automation but not in the syntaxt. But how via UI don’t work? What I’m doing wrong please?

Thank you

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I don’t see how the text file could be working unless you are on a 3.4 milestone release or snapshot. At least according to the docs “SpecialColorLight” didn’t exist until after 3.3 release (or the docs didn’t get updated for some reason).

I am on a 3.4 milestone though and I’m seeing that “SpecialColorLight” isn’t among the options to choose from. That’s a bug.

To verify that this is the problem, do the following.

Go to the metadata for the Group, click on the “Code” tab, and manually enter “SpecialColorLight” in place of “Light”. It should look something like

value: SpecialColorLight
config:
  useKelvin: true
  colorTemperatureRange: 2600,6999

If that makes it work, we need to file an issue on the webuis repo.

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Ok @rlkoshak looks better :grinning:
if I put

value: SpecialColorLight
config:
  useKelvin: true
  colorTemperatureRange: 2600,6999

google assistant see the lights, I’m able to switch on and off the light, I’m able to set the brightness from 0 to 100% but I’m not able to set the color temperature light :smiling_face_with_tear: we are near the solution I thins :grinning: some other tips? I don’t understand the parts about the bugs…

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and also I see the log, if I try to change the color the message is not from 2600 to 6999 °K but is between 0 and 100, why :sleepy:

2022-11-01 21:32:36.930 [INFO ] [openhab.event.ItemCommandEvent      ] - Item 'AppliqueOSRAM_TemperaturaColore' received command 100

2022-11-01 21:32:36.933 [INFO ] [penhab.event.ItemStatePredictedEvent] - Item 'AppliqueOSRAM_TemperaturaColore' predicted to become 100

2022-11-01 21:32:36.942 [INFO ] [openhab.event.ItemStateChangedEvent ] - Item 'AppliqueOSRAM_TemperaturaColore' changed from 45.44214594225961 to 100
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sorry @rlkoshak looks better now…I receive some warnings in the log

2022-11-01 21:37:57.471 [WARN ] [nternal.netutils.WebSocketConnection] - Websocket$1667244114833-2 encountered an error while processing the message {"e":"changed","id":"6","r":"lights","state":{"alert":null,"bri":254,"colormode":"ct","ct":333,"on":false,"reachable":true},"t":"event","uniqueid":"7c:b0:3e:aa:00:a9:5b:f5-03"}: Value must be between 0 and 100

but with the code:

value: SpecialColorLight
config:
  colorUnit: kelvin
  colorTemperatureRange: 2600,6999

looks like I’m able also to change the colortemperaturelight…
but really what’s the easy part to configure an intems in openhab :grinning:?

But anyway now I have to configure all my lights in deconz, also all the open\close sensors et etc and then I have to switch to MQTT with shelly devices and other stuff but really thanks a lot for your help @rlkoshak . But an honest consideration…do you think that all the process for home automation is simple for a novice user if he just look the documentation? Again I’m switching from home assistant and I’m finding all very difficult… :sob:

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When you add the metadata for the Group Item, it should offer “SpecialColorLight” as an option. It does not. It only offers “Light”. That’s a bug and needs to be fixed.

It’s a dimmer Item. It only supports integer values between 0 and 100. You cannot set a Dimmer Item to anything else. There is presumably an automatic conversion between those values and values between 2600 to 6999.

You are doing integration with Google Assistant. That’s a wholly separate thing. It uses Items. But it’s not setting up Items.

And if you find using text configs easier, go do that. Everyone is different. Maybe you get other benefits that is worth fighting the syntax and finding the right documentation.

No, that’s why I recommend using MainUI for most things. Unfortunately you ran into a bug and, to be frank, you are trying run before you can walk. You are trying to do too much all at once and that makes it more difficult and complex.

Also, that’s why I and others spend so much time here on the forum helping people get started and figuring out problems. We know this is complex and hard.

There is a Shelly binding. Does it not support your devices? It’s local control (not cloud API) and easier to set up and use than MQTT.

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Sorry @rlkoshak , the problems are not finish :sleepy:
I’m trying to configure a dimmable light (no color temperature, only on off and brightness).
I really try different configuration but I don’t know if I’m doing wrong or also here there is some bug…
I try to explain you:

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The situation is LUCE STUDIO (the equipment).

If I put Light in the metadata of LUCE STUDIO and lightBrightness in the metadata of Luminosità (that is the point of the brightness) GA don’t see the light. If I put Light in the metadata of light studio and light in the metadata of luminosità GA see the lamp but is called Luminosità and not LUCE STUDIO as the group. But why??? If like the example before I try to use the SpecialColorLight doesn’t work but I think is normal because the light is only dimmerable?

In HA I use MQTT but if there is a simpler way I’ll try it thank you :grinning:

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Don’t forget everything we learned above. If you are going to use a Group, you have to use “SpecialColorLight” for the Group’s GA metadata (which you have to do through the Code tab)

Because you can either expose the Dimmer Item all by itself to GA, or you can expose a Group that represents several controls for a light to GA.

If you expose a single Item you will use “Light” for the ga metadata. And that Item is the only thing that Google will see. It doesn’t see the parent Equipment Group. So of course it’s going to show up in Google Home as Luminosita. That’s all it knows for that Item.

If you expose your Items with a Group, as we discovered above, you have to use “SpecialColorLight” for the Group and lightBrightness on the Dimmer Item.

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Sorry but probably I explain the concect wrongly… I try to explain better:
The first tentative is to use for the group SpecialColorLight and lightBrightness for the point.

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If I use this code for the Group Luce Studio:

value: SpecialColorLight
config:
  useKelvin: false

because the light is only dimmable, GA don’t see the light.
If I use this code:

value: SpecialColorLight
config:
  colorUnit: kelvin
  colorTemperatureRange: 2600,6999

that works for the lightcolortemperature light again GA don’t see the device. Then looks like that with the dimmable light the situation is different…and then I really have no idea how to manage the light as a group. Is more clear @rlkoshak now the issue?

Thank you.

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No, it’s not clear at all.

Ultimately, if it’s just the one Item that is controllable, why don’t you just apply a meaningful label to the Dimmer Item and use “light” as the ga metadata?

SpecialColorLight is really only expected to be used when you have more than one control on a single light. Why make things more complicated than it needs to be?

Note, it’s probably a problem to tell it you are using a colorUnit and colorTemperature but not have a lightColorTemperature tagged Item as a member of the Group.

Google Assistant doesn’t know anything about your semantic model. The semantic model adds nothing to GA and therefore you are not expected to force the semantic model. Just because you have an Equipment Group doesn’t mean you have to expose the light using that Group.

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