Google Ending support for Gen 1&2 Nest Thermostats

Just received this lovely message from my friends at Google:

Dear Nest Learning Thermostat owner,

We want to make you aware of some upcoming changes that will impact our earliest generation thermostats, including those at The Weichmann House. Starting October 25, 2025, Google will no longer provide support for the Nest Learning Thermostat (1st gen) launched in 2011 and Nest Learning Thermostat (2nd gen) launched in 2012.

You will still be able to access temperature, mode, schedules, and settings directly on the thermostat – and existing schedules should continue to work uninterrupted. However, these thermostats will no longer receive software or security updates, will not have any Nest app or Home app controls, and will end support for other connected features like Home/Away Assist. See more details at our support website.

To help with this transition and to show our appreciation for your long-time loyalty, we’re offering you the option to upgrade to our newest and most advanced thermostat, the Nest Learning Thermostat (4th gen) at a special price: $149.99 (MSRP $279.99).1 Please click here to redeem the offer through Google Store. (Offer valid until November 21, 2025)

Our support agents are available to answer any questions you may have. Please visit Google support to contact us directly for assistance.

I bought way WAY before Nest was owned by Google and also way before I thought about the problems with not having local control.

  1. Has anyone every found a way to hack in local control - maybe over the onboard zigbee radio?
  2. What are good alternatives for smart home thermostats that offer local control options? Most of what I’ve seen over the years were terrible looking.

Based on my looking a couple years ago your two criteria are mutually exclusive.

There are a bunch of Zigbee and Zwave options out there and maybe soon there might be some decent Matter options. But they are all pretty ugly. YMMV.

I have a Gen4 nest and I’m using the Matter binding (coming in OH5 ) to control it completely locally. Personally i’m not a fan (no pun intended) of the Nest’s Physical controls, but since we are using openHAB and voice for controlling it exclusively, it works as a nice matter device.

The Venstar thermostats also offer a 100% local API, i have a few of those as well and am very happy with them

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Although this is kinda discouraging for our EU users , uhg.

The Honeywell X2S is now available.

It has Matter It’s kind of plain looking but looks ok to me

I just ordered it from Lowes for $80

Cool ! If you could send me over the JSON dump when you pair it with the matter binding that would be super helpful, the Nest is the only real thermostat i have been able to test with (and for some strange reason Google omits the operational state part of the matter spec, like if the heater is actually running or not)

If I may be so bold, I would try to avoid anything that relies on continued support. Your heating system should last longer than 12 years but Google’s vision doesn’t seem to! I would also though, avoid any system that controls my heating through a single wall-mounted thermostat.

I have been using the old EQ-3 Max! system for years. It still works. I control it through Homegear (open source and widely supported) which works perfectly with OpenHab via the Homematic binding. Below is a screenshot of my Main UI showing 14 rooms / areas all with individual setpoints and actual temperatures.


I can set individual rooms to auto, manual or timer and I can easily change the schedule profile of each room (which the Homegear binding won’t let me do) through MQTT (not through this UI). You can see that a total of 0.29 of a radiator is open throughout the house (it’s warm today). When that gets to 0.9 of a radiator, the boiler will kick in. At the moment the boiler is set to Auto but is not supplying heat. As you can also see, some of the rooms are quite a bit warmer (the grey bars) than others. These are facing South on a sunny day. A single thermostat has no idea which rooms need heating and which don’t.

They haven’t made the Max! valves for years and when one finally breaks down I can replace it using EQ-3’s new and still current Homematic IP valves, which OpenHab can also control using the same items. The Germans seem to be way ahead of us Brits on controlling heating.

It will cost you a bit more up front to replace all your TRVs with the radio controlled valves but it is worth the investment.

There are only two of us living in a large house so most of the time we are not using most of it. The master bedroom comes on in the morning and then goes off once my wife is up and about. That room is not heated again until about 9:30 pm (actually, in winter it’s not allowed to drop below 15 deg). The living room doesn’t get heated at all until about 6:00pm during the week because I’m out and my wife (retired) is usually elsewhere in the house. If we have guests then guest rooms get switched to guest profiles, the dining room is heated for dinner, the bathrooms stay on for longer and the house is made generally more comfortable. I can also control this lot via Google and Alexa.

This is so much cheaper than a system where you are heating the whole house, including the rooms you’re not in, or none of it. It has reduced my heating bills by 60% or more.

I believe Home Automation is about automation, not remote control. I can change individual rooms if i want to but I don’t actually change anything at all from one day to the next. Most rooms have physical thermostats so if you’re in a room that’s a bit chilly (my study for example, which is not heated when I’m not using it), I press a button and it warms up almost instantly (or I tell Google to warm it up and the radiator’s on by the time I get there). About the only time anything gets changed is if we go out and I can tell the house to shut down and then put it all back to auto when we’re on our way back or if my wife wants to dry something on a radiator and switches just that one on for an hour.

Happy to share more of my journey if you’re interested.

I’ve just realised that if you need to control aircon rather than just hot water radiators, then your mileage may be very different.

This depends on the type of the heating. If you have forced air, which is the most common HVAC type system in the areas I’ve lived in, there is one heater/AC and vents that lead to all the rooms. Since there’s only one device, there’s only one thermostat. Some devices like Echobee and newer Nests allow for adding more thermometers but it’s still “heat is on” or “heat is off”.

There are smart vents which could be used but one has to be careful because closing too many of the vents can greatly reduce the efficiency of the system overall.

You’re right of course Rich it does. I realised after I’d written most of my post that I tend to assume that everyone has hot water radiators and no a/c like 99% of the UK does. The UK is in the dark ages when it comes to heating systems. I have relatives who heat their large house using a boiler, a simple on/off timer switch (so in the middle of the night in winter when it goes off, it’s bloody freezing) and a vintage (if not indeed antique) bimetallic strip thermostat with a huge hysteresis that sits right outside the kitchen!

If my post is of use though, or at least food for thought, to someone else who reads this thread it will have been worth posting it.

Thermostat placement is a pet peeve of mine though. I wish they were easier to move. Mine is right next to the front door. :cry: