Pi 5, OH5SS to M3, JAVA 21 Can't get a WebContainer service

[BigGeorgeTx (George M Hyde)]

I am having trouble upgrading from an earlier (~May 22) OH5 Snapsot to OH5M3. I first tried to do it using the openhabian upgrade tool. The tool ran, but when OH started, I could never access it via the UI, and although I didn’t make a copy of the log, I believe it had the same error shown below this mornings attempt described below.

I started a fresh SD flashed with openhabian from the Raspberry Pi Imager. In openhabian.conf I specified Temurin 21 java as is recommended in the openhabian-config 45 tool.

When I got the below error on my attempt this morning, I tried, using openhabian 45, to downgrade to openJDK JAVA 17. This appeared to be successful. Although I had tried entering clonebranch=openHAB5 in openhabian.conf, it had loaded OH 4.3.5, so I guess it isn’t a surprise that it would work. The UI was accessible.

Then I switched to the Temurin 21 using openHABian 45. There was no UI. I thought perhaps a reboot would help, so I did that. After the reboot the host ID changed back to openhabian from what I had specified and to which it had changed during the initial configuration. This is a headless setup. I can reach it using SSH, but when I try to use user openhabian, it says it is invalid. So I can’t access any other log files now.

I have tried this several times over the last couple of days, and no matter what path I take, it seems like I end up with this error. I have a recent OH backup of the M5 snapshot I was running and a 4.3.5 backup from before I started using the snapshot in May.

I appreciate any suggestions.

openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ cat /var/log/openhab/openhab.log
2025-07-06 16:32:18.038 [INFO ] [org.openhab.core.Activator          ] - Starting openHAB 4.3.5 (Release Build)
2025-07-06 16:32:22.173 [INFO ] [core.karaf.internal.FeatureInstaller] - Some .kar files are not installed yet. Delaying add-on installation by 15s.
2025-07-06 16:32:33.755 [INFO ] [.core.model.lsp.internal.ModelServer] - Started Language Server Protocol (LSP) service on port 5007
2025-07-06 16:32:37.177 [INFO ] [core.karaf.internal.FeatureInstaller] - Some .kar files are not installed yet. Delaying add-on installation by 15s.
2025-07-06 16:32:39.891 [INFO ] [e.automation.internal.RuleEngineImpl] - Rule engine started.
2025-07-06 16:34:23.926 [WARN ] [service.spi.util.WebContainerManager] - Can't get a WebContainer service from {org.osgi.service.http.HttpService, org.ops4j.pax.web.service.WebContainer}={org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.extended=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.keystore.password=********, service.scope=bundle, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.key.password=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.name=JSESSIONID, org.osgi.service.http.connector.name=default, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.iterationcount=1000, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.file=yyyy_mm_dd.request.log, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.eventDispatcherThreadCount=1, org.osgi.service.http.checkForwardedHeaders=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.suffix=), org.ops4j.pax.web.digestAuth.maxNonceAge=60000, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.ciphersuites.included=, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.url=jsessionid, org.ops4j.pax.web.formAuth.errorRedirect=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.ciphersuites.excluded=^.*_(MD5|SHA|SHA1)$,^TLS_RSA_.*$,^SSL_.*$,^.*_NULL_.*$,^.*_anon_.*, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.prefix=ENC(, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.maxThreads=50, org.ops4j.pax.web.validatePeerCerts=false, service.id=161, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.maxAge=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.truststore.password=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.cacheSize=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.truststore.type=JKS, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.keystore.type=JKS, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.enabled=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocol=TLSv1.3, org.osgi.service.http.port=8080, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.file.date.format=yyyy-MM-dd, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.renegotiationLimit=-1, org.osgi.service.http.secure.enabled=true, org.osgi.service.http.enabled=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.idleTimeout=300000, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.retaindays=90, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.logtimezone=GMT, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.algorithm=PBEWithHmacSHA256AndAES_128, org.ops4j.pax.web.validateCerts=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.config.files=/usr/share/openhab/runtime/etc/jetty.xml, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.renegotiationAllowed=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.digestAuth.maxNonceCount=1024, org.ops4j.pax.web.enableOCSP=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.clientauth.needed=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.enabled=false, org.osgi.service.http.port.secure=8443, javax.servlet.context.tempdir=/var/lib/openhab/tmp, org.ops4j.pax.web.enableCRLDP=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.connector.idleTimeout=30000, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.timeout=10, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.clientauth.wanted=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocols.excluded=SSL,SSLv2,SSLv2Hello,SSLv3, service.bundleid=232, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.minThreads=2, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.secure=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.masterpassword=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.append=true, org.osgi.service.http.secure.connector.name=secureDefault, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.timeout=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.listening.addresses=0.0.0.0, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.buffered=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.sameSite=unset, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.enabled=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocols.included=, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.httpOnly=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.showStacks=false}
2025-07-06 16:34:34.832 [INFO ] [org.openhab.core.Activator          ] - Starting openHAB 4.3.5 (Release Build)
2025-07-06 16:34:45.909 [INFO ] [.core.model.lsp.internal.ModelServer] - Started Language Server Protocol (LSP) service on port 5007
2025-07-06 16:34:50.461 [INFO ] [e.automation.internal.RuleEngineImpl] - Rule engine started.
openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ 

[rlkoshak (Rich Koshak)]

Just to verify as it’s not been mentioned, this is running 64-bit? OH 5 requires 64-bit. The fact that you were running OH 5 already implies that’s the case but it’s always a good idea to make sure and it’s possible you downloaded the 32-bit image when tried to start from scratch.

How old is this SD card? While unlikely, weirdness like this (e.g. host name changing back) can be a sign of worn out SD card.

The error is coming from Karaf which is the layer under OH code. So there is something pretty messed up with the install.

I couldn’t pinpoint exactly what the specific problem is. Given all the other weird behaviors I’d probably try to start fresh on a brand new SD card, double checking I’m using the 64-bit image, and re-review the openHABian install docs to make sure I’m not missing something new.

[BigGeorgeTx (George M Hyde)]

Thanks for the suggestions.

@rlkoshak

this is running 64-bit?

Yes, it is 64 bit.

@rlkoshak

How old is this SD card?

It is long in the tooth. I have some new ones coming today and I will give it a try with one and return and report.

[BigGeorgeTx (George M Hyde)]

With brand new Sandisk Industrial 16 GB SD card.
Flashed 64 bit openhabian for Pi 5. Used clonebranch=openHAB (vs openHAB5 above) and java_opt=Temurin21 .

Looks like it restarted 3 times, with the same error as before the first two times:

openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ cat /var/log/openhab/openhab.log
2025-07-08 01:14:37.209 [INFO ] [org.openhab.core.Activator          ] - Starting openHAB 4.3.5 (Release Build)
2025-07-08 01:14:41.383 [INFO ] [core.karaf.internal.FeatureInstaller] - Some .kar files are not installed yet. Delaying add-on installation by 15s.
2025-07-08 01:14:46.069 [INFO ] [.core.model.lsp.internal.ModelServer] - Started Language Server Protocol (LSP) service on port 5007
2025-07-08 01:14:51.120 [INFO ] [e.automation.internal.RuleEngineImpl] - Rule engine started.
2025-07-08 01:16:02.374 [WARN ] [service.spi.util.WebContainerManager] - Can't get a WebContainer service from {org.osgi.service.http.HttpService, org.ops4j.pax.web.service.WebContainer}={org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.extended=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.keystore.password=********, service.scope=bundle, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.key.password=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.name=JSESSIONID, org.osgi.service.http.connector.name=default, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.iterationcount=1000, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.file=yyyy_mm_dd.request.log, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.eventDispatcherThreadCount=1, org.osgi.service.http.checkForwardedHeaders=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.suffix=), org.ops4j.pax.web.digestAuth.maxNonceAge=60000, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.ciphersuites.included=, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.url=jsessionid, org.ops4j.pax.web.formAuth.errorRedirect=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.ciphersuites.excluded=^.*_(MD5|SHA|SHA1)$,^TLS_RSA_.*$,^SSL_.*$,^.*_NULL_.*$,^.*_anon_.*, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.prefix=ENC(, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.maxThreads=50, org.ops4j.pax.web.validatePeerCerts=false, service.id=145, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.maxAge=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.truststore.password=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.cacheSize=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.truststore.type=JKS, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.keystore.type=JKS, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.enabled=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocol=TLSv1.3, org.osgi.service.http.port=8080, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.file.date.format=yyyy-MM-dd, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.renegotiationLimit=-1, org.osgi.service.http.secure.enabled=true, org.osgi.service.http.enabled=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.idleTimeout=300000, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.retaindays=90, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.logtimezone=GMT, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.algorithm=PBEWithHmacSHA256AndAES_128, org.ops4j.pax.web.validateCerts=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.config.files=/usr/share/openhab/runtime/etc/jetty.xml, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.renegotiationAllowed=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.digestAuth.maxNonceCount=1024, org.ops4j.pax.web.enableOCSP=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.clientauth.needed=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.enabled=false, org.osgi.service.http.port.secure=8443, javax.servlet.context.tempdir=/var/lib/openhab/tmp, org.ops4j.pax.web.enableCRLDP=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.connector.idleTimeout=30000, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.timeout=10, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.clientauth.wanted=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocols.excluded=SSL,SSLv2,SSLv2Hello,SSLv3, service.bundleid=232, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.minThreads=2, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.secure=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.masterpassword=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.append=true, org.osgi.service.http.secure.connector.name=secureDefault, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.timeout=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.listening.addresses=0.0.0.0, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.buffered=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.sameSite=unset, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.enabled=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocols.included=, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.httpOnly=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.showStacks=false}
2025-07-08 01:16:11.003 [INFO ] [org.openhab.core.Activator          ] - Starting openHAB 4.3.5 (Release Build)
2025-07-08 01:16:21.897 [INFO ] [.core.model.lsp.internal.ModelServer] - Started Language Server Protocol (LSP) service on port 5007
2025-07-08 01:16:26.725 [INFO ] [e.automation.internal.RuleEngineImpl] - Rule engine started.
2025-07-08 01:49:46.265 [WARN ] [service.spi.util.WebContainerManager] - Can't get a WebContainer service from {org.osgi.service.http.HttpService, org.ops4j.pax.web.service.WebContainer}={org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.extended=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.keystore.password=********, service.scope=bundle, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.key.password=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.name=JSESSIONID, org.osgi.service.http.connector.name=default, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.iterationcount=1000, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.file=yyyy_mm_dd.request.log, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.eventDispatcherThreadCount=1, org.osgi.service.http.checkForwardedHeaders=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.suffix=), org.ops4j.pax.web.digestAuth.maxNonceAge=60000, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.ciphersuites.included=, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.url=jsessionid, org.ops4j.pax.web.formAuth.errorRedirect=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.ciphersuites.excluded=^.*_(MD5|SHA|SHA1)$,^TLS_RSA_.*$,^SSL_.*$,^.*_NULL_.*$,^.*_anon_.*, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.prefix=ENC(, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.maxThreads=50, org.ops4j.pax.web.validatePeerCerts=false, service.id=158, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.maxAge=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.truststore.password=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.cacheSize=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.truststore.type=JKS, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.keystore.type=JKS, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.enabled=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocol=TLSv1.3, org.osgi.service.http.port=8080, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.file.date.format=yyyy-MM-dd, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.renegotiationLimit=-1, org.osgi.service.http.secure.enabled=true, org.osgi.service.http.enabled=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.idleTimeout=300000, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.retaindays=90, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.logtimezone=GMT, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.algorithm=PBEWithHmacSHA256AndAES_128, org.ops4j.pax.web.validateCerts=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.config.files=/usr/share/openhab/runtime/etc/jetty.xml, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.renegotiationAllowed=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.digestAuth.maxNonceCount=1024, org.ops4j.pax.web.enableOCSP=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.clientauth.needed=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.enabled=false, org.osgi.service.http.port.secure=8443, javax.servlet.context.tempdir=/var/lib/openhab/tmp, org.ops4j.pax.web.enableCRLDP=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.connector.idleTimeout=30000, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.timeout=10, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.clientauth.wanted=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocols.excluded=SSL,SSLv2,SSLv2Hello,SSLv3, service.bundleid=232, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.minThreads=2, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.secure=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.masterpassword=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.append=true, org.osgi.service.http.secure.connector.name=secureDefault, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.timeout=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.listening.addresses=0.0.0.0, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.buffered=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.sameSite=unset, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.enabled=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocols.included=, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.httpOnly=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.showStacks=false}
2025-07-08 01:50:19.834 [INFO ] [org.openhab.core.Activator          ] - Starting openHAB 4.3.5 (Release Build)
2025-07-08 01:50:30.451 [INFO ] [.core.model.lsp.internal.ModelServer] - Started Language Server Protocol (LSP) service on port 5007
2025-07-08 01:50:40.584 [INFO ] [e.automation.internal.RuleEngineImpl] - Rule engine started.

Switched to OH5M3 using openhabian. Looks like it was successful. Had the tollowing in the conversion, but I haven’t restored the configuration files yet, as the latest I have are OH5, so perhaps these are related to that.

openHAB] Running JSON Database upgrade tool (${OPENHAB_RUNTIME}/bin/upgradetool.jar).
[main] INFO org.openhab.core.tools.UpgradeTool - Executing itemCopyUnitToMetadata: Copy item unit from state description to metadata
[main] INFO org.openhab.core.tools.internal.ItemUnitToMetadataUpgrader - Copying item unit from state description to metadata in database '/var/lib/openhab/jsondb/org.openhab.core.items.Item.json'
[main] ERROR org.openhab.core.tools.internal.ItemUnitToMetadataUpgrader - Cannot access item database '/var/lib/openhab/jsondb/org.openhab.core.items.Item.json', check path and access rights.
[main] INFO org.openhab.core.tools.UpgradeTool - Executing linkUpgradeJSProfile: Upgrade JS profile configuration to new format
[main] INFO org.openhab.core.tools.internal.JSProfileUpgrader - Upgrading JS profile configuration in database '/var/lib/openhab/jsondb/org.openhab.core.thing.link.ItemChannelLink.json'
[main] ERROR org.openhab.core.tools.internal.JSProfileUpgrader - Cannot access link database '/var/lib/openhab/jsondb/org.openhab.core.thing.link.ItemChannelLink.json', check path and access rights.
[main] INFO org.openhab.core.tools.UpgradeTool - Executing linkUpgradeScriptProfile: Upgrade script profile configuration toHandlerScript to commandFromItemScript
[main] INFO org.openhab.core.tools.internal.ScriptProfileUpgrader - Upgrading script profile configuration in database '/var/lib/openhab/jsondb/org.openhab.core.thing.link.ItemChannelLink.json'
[main] ERROR org.openhab.core.tools.internal.ScriptProfileUpgrader - Cannot access link database '/var/lib/openhab/jsondb/org.openhab.core.thing.link.ItemChannelLink.json', check path and access rights.
[main] INFO org.openhab.core.tools.UpgradeTool - Executing yamlTagsListToMap: Upgrade YAML 'tags' list to map format on V1 configuration files
[main] INFO org.openhab.core.tools.internal.YamlConfigurationV1TagsUpgrader - Upgrading YAML tags configurations in '/etc/openhab/tags'
[openHAB] JSON Database upgrade completed.

The openhab log looked clean after the restart with OH5M3:

openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ cat /var/log/openhab/openhab.log
2025-07-08 02:14:20.281 [INFO ] [org.openhab.core.Activator          ] - Starting openHAB 5.0.0.M3 (Milestone Build)
2025-07-08 02:14:20.504 [INFO ] [core.karaf.internal.FeatureInstaller] - Some .kar files are not installed yet. Delaying add-on installation by 15s.
2025-07-08 02:14:28.446 [INFO ] [.core.model.lsp.internal.ModelServer] - Started Language Server Protocol (LSP) service on port 5007
2025-07-08 02:14:28.842 [INFO ] [e.automation.internal.RuleEngineImpl] - Rule engine started.
openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ 

Now I’ll try restoring the OH5 backup from a few days ago that was running on an OH5 snapshot from late May..

After restoring, the error is back:

openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ cat /var/log/openhab/openhab.log
2025-07-08 02:14:20.281 [INFO ] [org.openhab.core.Activator          ] - Starting openHAB 5.0.0.M3 (Milestone Build)
2025-07-08 02:14:20.504 [INFO ] [core.karaf.internal.FeatureInstaller] - Some .kar files are not installed yet. Delaying add-on installation by 15s.
2025-07-08 02:14:28.446 [INFO ] [.core.model.lsp.internal.ModelServer] - Started Language Server Protocol (LSP) service on port 5007
2025-07-08 02:14:28.842 [INFO ] [e.automation.internal.RuleEngineImpl] - Rule engine started.
2025-07-08 02:24:12.764 [WARN ] [service.spi.util.WebContainerManager] - Can't get a WebContainer service from {org.osgi.service.http.HttpService, org.ops4j.pax.web.service.WebContainer}={org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.extended=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.keystore.password=********, service.scope=bundle, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.key.password=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.name=JSESSIONID, org.osgi.service.http.connector.name=default, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.iterationcount=1000, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.file=yyyy_mm_dd.request.log, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.eventDispatcherThreadCount=1, org.osgi.service.http.checkForwardedHeaders=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.suffix=), org.ops4j.pax.web.digestAuth.maxNonceAge=60000, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.ciphersuites.included=, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.url=jsessionid, org.ops4j.pax.web.formAuth.errorRedirect=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.ciphersuites.excluded=^.*_(MD5|SHA|SHA1)$,^TLS_RSA_.*$,^SSL_.*$,^.*_NULL_.*$,^.*_anon_.*, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.prefix=ENC(, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.maxThreads=50, org.ops4j.pax.web.validatePeerCerts=false, service.id=154, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.maxAge=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.truststore.password=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.cacheSize=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.truststore.type=JKS, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.keystore.type=JKS, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.enabled=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocol=TLSv1.3, org.osgi.service.http.port=8080, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.file.date.format=yyyy-MM-dd, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.renegotiationLimit=-1, org.osgi.service.http.secure.enabled=true, org.osgi.service.http.enabled=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.idleTimeout=300000, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.retaindays=90, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.logtimezone=GMT, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.algorithm=PBEWithHmacSHA256AndAES_128, org.ops4j.pax.web.validateCerts=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.config.files=/usr/share/openhab/runtime/etc/jetty.xml, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.renegotiationAllowed=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.digestAuth.maxNonceCount=1024, org.ops4j.pax.web.enableOCSP=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.clientauth.needed=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.enabled=false, org.osgi.service.http.port.secure=8443, javax.servlet.context.tempdir=/var/lib/openhab/tmp, org.ops4j.pax.web.enableCRLDP=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.connector.idleTimeout=30000, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.timeout=10, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.clientauth.wanted=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocols.excluded=SSL,SSLv2,SSLv2Hello,SSLv3, service.bundleid=232, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.minThreads=2, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.secure=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.enc.masterpassword=********, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.append=true, org.osgi.service.http.secure.connector.name=secureDefault, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.session.timeout=-1, org.ops4j.pax.web.listening.addresses=0.0.0.0, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.buffered=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.sameSite=unset, org.ops4j.pax.web.log.ncsa.enabled=false, org.ops4j.pax.web.ssl.protocols.included=, org.ops4j.pax.web.session.cookie.httpOnly=true, org.ops4j.pax.web.server.showStacks=false}
openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ 

I think I will next try downgrading to OH 4.3.5-1 (release version and restore the 4.3 BU I have, then try updating to 5M3 again, this time with a configuration. I will lose some tinkering I’ve done over the last month, but, better than nothing if it works.

[BigGeorgeTx (George M Hyde)]

Continuing, the downgrade to the release version appears to have worked. I restored an older 4.3 back up and it seems to be running.

Confirmed java version in advance of trying OH5M3 again:

openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ java -version
openjdk version "21.0.7" 2025-04-15 LTS
OpenJDK Runtime Environment Temurin-21.0.7+6 (build 21.0.7+6-LTS)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Temurin-21.0.7+6 (build 21.0.7+6-LTS, mixed mode, sharing)
openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ 

The openhabian change to OH5M3 appears to have worked. I’ve got a couple of months of changes and improvements to redo, but at least it is working.

I wonder if I could load the snapshot version I was running when I had a more recent backup and update it to M3.

It looks like it should be possible if I knew where to look. This is old, but supports the idea:

Installing a specific snapshot version of Openhab

At this moment the last snapshot (2.4.0 build 1399 or 1400) gives me troubles, as I explained in Problem with Anel HUT in latest snapshot (openHAB 2.4.0 Build #1399) The version I do have installed instead, openHAB 2.3.0 Build #1260 works, yet gives problems with Fronius crashing from time to time. (everything else seems to keep working) I know that the fix I need was done on the fronius code on 22 July And on 17 September another null point fix was done on the fronius code I know …

I followed the steps here,

openHAB on Linux

but it looks like only recent snapshots are shown:

openhabian@oh-m5:~ $ apt list -a openhab
Listing... Done
openhab/unstable,unstable 5.0.0~S4725-1 all [upgradable from: 5.0.0~M3-1]
openhab/unstable,unstable 5.0.0~S4723-1 all
openhab/unstable,unstable 5.0.0~S4722-1 all
openhab/unstable,unstable 5.0.0~S4721-1 all
openhab/unstable,unstable 5.0.0~S4720-1 all
openhab/unstable,unstable 5.0.0~S4718-1 all
openhab/unstable,unstable 5.0.0~S4717-1 all
openhab/unstable,unstable 5.0.0~S4716-1 all
openhab/now 5.0.0~M3-1 all [installed,upgradable to: 5.0.0~S4725-1]

[rlkoshak (Rich Koshak)]

The error is very weird. I imagine what in your configs could be causing it to occur but clearly it was something.

Theoretically you should be able to restore the configs to the exact same snapshot but, as you’ve shown, only a few snapshots are kept in the repos to keep from overloading apt for all users.

But maybe you can try the nearest milestone, unless you’ve already tried that.

You also might manually restore your config piece-by-piece (e.g. first Things, then Items, then Links and so on). Then we might either find what config is causing the problem, or it might just end up working because we won’t be touching userdata/etc files and such.