Z-wave things lose their Lifeline Association Group

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I usually do not touch the associations, but yesterday, in the heat of the battle, I did try setting Lifeline to controller. Today it appears as gone. Will try setting it again.

So we need to get the debug log that shows when it disappeared. If you can provide the logs, I’m very happy to take a look and see what we can find.

I’m not having this particular issue, but I’ve worked though many other issues. One thing I learned early on is that it’s better to provide full debug logs that cover the time period when the problem occurs. Even if it’s 10, 20, 30, or 40 MB of log data. Post it on a shared folder somewhere so that @chris can see exactly what’s happening. Snippets of logs, or logs filtered by “NODE XX”, won’t be sufficient. I can assure you that following this approach will lead to the root cause (whatever it may be) much more quickly. :wink:

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Thanks @mhilbush.

I know I “bang on” about logs a lot, but they tell me exactly what happened at the protocol and binding level, and it what order, timing, etc. Often peoples descriptions of what they did are either too high level, incomplete, or even inaccurate. The logs may not always be perfect - there’s a limit to how much logging can be done, but it will help a LOT to work out where to look, and we can always add more logging in specific areas if needed.

Without the detailed debug logging, it’s really hard, or impossible even, to work out what is happening. I know creating the logs has drawbacks and people don’t like to do it sometimes, but without them, I’m not sure I can really help, and believe me, I would REALLY like to resolve this issue.

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I hear you both, problem is that I do not usually have log:set to DEBUG and the INFO level log probably won’t cut it? I remember I set up log4?? (cplus/java) a year back with my settings of log rotations etc, but an OH upgrade wiped it all, Should probably have done it using an override of some sort if that even exists.
As it is now, I only get one openhab.log, no rotation, so I don’t know how much debug logging it will hold.
I will try setting up rotation again, and keep it on during the night.

Back to the matter at hand:

  • when I tried to set AG1 to Controller -> still nothing heard when pressing S1
  • an a whim, I set AG2 (Basic set) to controller -> dimmer_switch1 triggered my rule :slight_smile:
    Coming to think of it, I did set that one last night as well. You know how it is burning the midnight oil …

I will throw out e DEBUG net tonight to see if we can catch anything.

On a side note Chris, HABMIN is acting up a bit. I had to set the AG in PaperUi. After attempting to do it in HABMIN, HABMIN showed the device with no active channels. Killing my Chrome browser tab and reloading HABMIN it appears OK again until trying to manipulate an AG.

Definitely won’t cut it for this problem. :wink:

It sometimes helps to log zwave to its own log file with its own rotation. If you want, I’ll post a logging config that I use.

Please do! (In a new post, so others may benefit as well?)

Put this in your userdata/etc/org.ops4j.pax.logging.cfg file.

### Zwave custom logger
log4j2.logger.Zwave.name = org.openhab.binding.zwave
log4j2.logger.Zwave.level = DEBUG
log4j2.logger.Zwave.additivity = false
log4j2.logger.Zwave.appenderRefs = Zwave
log4j2.logger.Zwave.appenderRef.Zwave.ref = ZWAVE

### Zwave custom appender
log4j2.appender.Zwave.name = ZWAVE
log4j2.appender.Zwave.type = RollingRandomAccessFile
log4j2.appender.Zwave.fileName = /opt/openhab2/userdata/logs/zwave.log
log4j2.appender.Zwave.filePattern = /opt/openhab2/userdata/logs/zwave.log.%i
log4j2.appender.Zwave.immediateFlush = true
log4j2.appender.Zwave.append = true
log4j2.appender.Zwave.layout.type = PatternLayout
log4j2.appender.Zwave.layout.pattern = %d{yyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss.SSS} [%-5.5p] [%-50.50c] - %m%n
log4j2.appender.Zwave.policies.type = Policies
log4j2.appender.Zwave.policies.size.type = SizeBasedTriggeringPolicy
log4j2.appender.Zwave.policies.size.size = 10MB
log4j2.appender.Zwave.strategy.type = DefaultRolloverStrategy
log4j2.appender.Zwave.strategy.max = 20

Thanks Mark. I’ve added this to the docs -:

Let me know if you have any comments before I merge.

Hi Chris,

Running your latest M4 release of the binding. Great job in ALL the work you do for OH!

In my zWave logs I get these sometimes; what does this mean and how do I fix it?

2018-10-27 02:41:48.482 [ERROR] [age.AssignSucReturnRouteMessageClass] - NODE 8: Assign SUC return routes failed.
2018-10-28 02:41:48.773 [ERROR] [age.AssignSucReturnRouteMessageClass] - NODE 4: Assign SUC return routes failed.
2018-10-28 02:41:48.889 [ERROR] [age.AssignSucReturnRouteMessageClass] - NODE 6: Assign SUC return routes failed.
2018-10-28 02:41:49.669 [ERROR] [age.AssignSucReturnRouteMessageClass] - NODE 8: Assign SUC return routes failed.

Best, Jay

At work, we use log4cplus , and we have log files for each log level. (FATAL+ERROR+WARN/LOG/DEBUG)
(Someone else set that up, so I’m that familiar with it.)
The DEBUG is set to log to a /tmpfs location (RAM-disk) so that the SSD is spared. (product with a 10yrs life span)
These logs do not survive a restart thought. Also, /tmpfs is linux specific.

Yeah, I’m not running on a pi with an SD card, so clearly leaving this on for a long time will further reduce the life of your SD card. I say further, because it’s inevitable that your SD card will fail. It’s just a matter of when…

In my config, I actually store the zwave log files outside of the openhab directory tree. I store 500 files because I occasionally need to look at trends, repeating errors, etc. over time. It also helps reduce backup time by keeping all but the current log file outside the openhab directory tree.

The target logfile directory did not match my system, and since my /opt is empty, nothing seemed to happen.
I changed these two lines, and the new logfile appeared automatically after my save:

log4j2.appender.Zwave.fileName = ${openhab.logdir}/zwave.log
log4j2.appender.Zwave.filePattern = ${openhab.logdir}/zwave.log.%i

This expands to /var/log/openhab2/zwave.log

Ah, sorry, I should’ve mentioned that you needed to adjust the paths for your installation.

Just noticed that 2 more switches, one other Fibaro dimmer-2 and one everspring, had stopped reporting back local ON/OFF switching.
Don’t know exactly when this happened.
I had to apply Controller to AG1 & AG2.
Funny thing was this time I only got it to work in HABMIN, but only after restarting my browser.

Anyhow, my Z-Wave debugging is on, so lets see what happens during the night.

Jury is in.
Still works this morning after network healing 7hrs ago.
So this was probably OH2 upgrade related and no logs exists.

I will leave the Z-Wave DEBUG logging active for some days and keep an eye on this.

Hello @chris, thanks for your help! :slight_smile: At least Openhab 1.x - 2.3. I have used example for Fibaro Dimmer 2 switch_dimmer channel (0). It has worked correctly on previous version.

So now I changed .items configuration switch_dimmer to switch_dimmer1. Also I updated Openhab snapshot version to openHAB 2.4.0 Build #1404. After I updated newer version, I needed to reconfigure all zwave devices Lifeline to Controller. After that (fibaro dimmer 2) wall button work correctly. Item state from wall switch reported ON / OFF immediately.

@chris I am also having the same problem since changing to version 2.4. The associated group is turned to node_1 on every reboot which includes updating the system to the latest snapshot every few days.

I have this currently randomly … every restart of openhab some devices stop working.
They get stuck at request nif or loose the association.

will do a debug and post it