Z-Wave DB - Honeywell / Jasco ZW4103 Unknown Device

Nick_Wilkinson · December 18, 2020, 5:07am

My System: Raspberry Pi 3, Rasbian, OpenHAB 2.5.11, Z-Stick Gen 5, JRE: OpenJDK 1.8.0_152

I just tried to setup a Honeywell / Jasco ZW4103 and it is coming up as an unknown device. Searching I found the following post that seems to suggest this is in the DB.

The link in the post points to the old DB website. When I search the DB I don’t find anything. I took the ID out of the old URL and putting it on the end of the new website URL which seemed to get the page being discussed (link below). This seems to be the GE version of this plug. (maybe this is the wrong DB page)

OpenSmartHouse Z-Wave Device Database

Question is should I create a new entry in the DB or is there a better way of making this entry?

Attached is the xml file

network_ef848ee0__node_62.xml (10.1 KB)

Thanks

sihui · December 18, 2020, 6:23am

Neither one, your device is already in the database:

<manufacturer>0x39</manufacturer>
<deviceId>0x3038</deviceId>
<deviceType>0x5052</deviceType>
<applicationVersion>5.25</applicationVersion>

Also the github page looks okay to me:

github.com

openhab/org.openhab.binding.zwave/blob/2.5.x/src/main/resources/ESH-INF/thing/ge/28169_5_0.xml

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<thing:thing-descriptions bindingId="zwave"
  xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
  xmlns:thing="https://openhab.org/schemas/thing-description/v1.0.0"
  xsi:schemaLocation="https://openhab.org/schemas/thing-description/v1.0.0
                      https://openhab.org/schemas/thing-description/v1.0.0">

  <thing-type id="ge_28169_05_000" listed="false">
    <label>GE 28169 / Jasco 28168 Plug in Smart Switch</label>
    <description><![CDATA[
Plug in Smart Switch<br /> <h1>Overview</h1><p>Z-wave controlled AC outlet for standard incandescent lighting, CFL/LEDs, fans or small appliances.<br />Must not exceed 600 watts (Incandescent); 1800W (15A) Resistive or ½ HP Motor </p> <br /> <h2>Inclusion Information</h2><p>Put controller into inclusion mode, single press and release the manual/program button on the smart switch to include it in the network</p> <br /> <h2>Exclusion Information</h2><p>Put controller into exclusion mode, single press and release the manual/program button on the smart switch to exclude it from the network</p>
    ]]></description>
    <category>PowerOutlet</category>

    <!-- CHANNEL DEFINITIONS -->
    <channels>
      <channel id="switch_binary" typeId="switch_binary">
        <label>Switch</label>
        <properties>
          <property name="binding:*:OnOffType">COMMAND_CLASS_SWITCH_BINARY,COMMAND_CLASS_BASIC</property>

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Make sure you only have one zwave binding installed (karaf), if you can’t solve this create a debug log and feed it through the zwave log viewer.

Nick_Wilkinson · December 19, 2020, 9:38pm

Thanks sihui for the response -

Looks like one binding is installed

openhab> list | grep ZWave 241 │ Active │ 80 │ 2.5.11 │ openHAB Add-ons :: Bundles :: ZWave Binding

Based on

My understanding is that Manufacture ID was used to match the Z-Wave device. Maybe I am reading it wrong but the Honeywell ID is 0x39 and the DB has 0063 for the entry you posted. Even if this is a hexadecimal to decimal conversion they don’t match 0x39 => 57.

Seems that you are suggesting that the xml fields <deviceId> and <deviceType> need to be in the DB field Type. As well as <applicationVersion> maps to the DB field Firmware version. These are in sync DB and xml File.

I excluded and reincluded the device with ALL on in the logs. The log has the following entry

2020-12-18 19:08:26.451 [TRACE] [nhab.binding.zwave.discovery.ZWaveDiscoveryService] - NODE 63: Checking zwave:ge_28169_05_000
2020-12-18 19:08:26.451 [TRACE] [nhab.binding.zwave.discovery.ZWaveDiscoveryService] - NODE 63: Checking zwave:ge_28169_05_000
…
2020-12-18 19:08:26.852 [WARN ] [nhab.binding.zwave.discovery.ZWaveDiscoveryService] - NODE 63: Device discovery could not resolve to a thingType! 0039:5052:3038::5.25

Here is the Zwave Log view filtered on Node 63.

Bruce_Osborne · December 19, 2020, 9:53pm

I just looked and it is indeed not in the database. Here is the Z-Wave Alliance page for that item.

https://products.z-wavealliance.org/products/3744

If you wish to do that here is the guide. Otherwise one of us should be able to do that. If you make an account there, be sure to submit a ticket to get database edit access.

Nick_Wilkinson · December 19, 2020, 10:42pm

Thanks Bruce -

I have an account already but haven’t made an entry yet. Just tried to created one with the following

Label: ZW4103
Description: Z-Wave Plug-in Smart Switch
XML: pasted in the XML in the node xml file in the first post

When submitting I get a dialog in the upper right corner of the page with “Error”. No further explanation provided on what the error might be. Thoughts?

Bruce_Osborne · December 19, 2020, 10:47pm

I have seen that error too but it creates the entry. The website still has some “gremlins” to be worked out.

The entry was created and is here.

Nick_Wilkinson · December 20, 2020, 5:29am

Thanks Bruce and Sihui -

Solution was to create a new DB entry

Good to know about the creation of DB entries even if it throws an Error. Once clicking your link I saw the validation error on the Manufacturing in the Label -> I guessed that might have been the issue and retried with just the device name -> potentially it was already created and errored out for that reason the second time.

DB entry updated, xml exported, and installed on my OpenHAB instance. Everything Works. I’ve submitted it for review in the DB.

sihui · December 20, 2020, 5:57am

You are right. One should never give support in this forum when in a rush, sorry.

Bruce_Osborne · December 20, 2020, 1:24pm

Unfortunately I do that all to often too. Age gives both wisdom & impatience

BobSauer · January 24, 2021, 6:14pm

I am having the same unknown device issue with my ZW4103. I am running OH 2.5.11 release build. The device is not listed under supported things in the z-wave binding. I see the database entry on OpenSmartHouse and that it has an approval date followed by an OH-3.0.0 tag. Does this mean I need to upgrade to OH3 to pick up the supported thing or can I somehow upgrade the binding?

Bruce_Osborne · January 24, 2021, 8:24pm

Welcome

The easiest way would be to manually install a snapshot version of the binding. This script should make it easier. The manual instructions are in the README file.
Zigbee and Z-Wave manual install script - Tutorials & Examples - openHAB Community

BobSauer · January 24, 2021, 9:00pm

Thanks, I’ll give it a go.

toddwevans · June 12, 2022, 8:15pm

17 months later, I’m circling back around to this topic.
Recently purchased the Jasco 28169 ZW4103 and I think it is not in the Zwave DB… at least for openhab3.
Should I search for and follow the correct approach to have this created in the OH3x version DB?
Thanks,
Todd

chris · June 12, 2022, 9:41pm

It is in the database - there is no “openhab 3 database”

You device has a slightly different device id though so the question is if yours i s the same - if so, it just needs adding to the list in the database.

chris · June 12, 2022, 9:43pm

Actually, on further investigation, yours is a different manufacturer than this, so it will in fact require a completely new entry.

toddwevans · June 12, 2022, 11:51pm

Thanks Chris,
I’ll try to get this figured out and let you know.
Todd

toddwevans · June 13, 2022, 12:13am

So I finally opened up the sheet that came with this device…
It is JASCO
28172-3
ZW4104
I MUST have fat-fingered this initially.
I don’t see this in the DB, either.
Thanks

apella12 · June 13, 2022, 12:59am

You may be able to go back to @chris original suggestion.

There is a device that looks close

Your reference numbers (20562:12345) are 5052:3039 in Hex and MFG is 99 (63 in hex). Take a look to see if that device has all the parameters in your manual

Bob

toddwevans · June 13, 2022, 1:09am

Thanks Bob.
I’ve been trying to find a viable way to locate the device XML in my installation to no avail.
I believe this is what is required for this new device: (added manually to this post)

Manufacturer: Jasco Products
Manufacturer ID: 0063
Label: Jasco 28172-3
Category: Power Outlet
Description:Plug in Smart Switch
Device Type: NODE_TYPE_ZWAVEPLUS_NODE
Device ID: 12345
Firmware version: 5.22
ZW4104

This is what I copied from the device in the OH3 GUI:

    zwave_class_basic    BASIC_TYPE_ROUTING_SLAVE
    zwave_class_generic    GENERIC_TYPE_SWITCH_BINARY
    zwave_frequent    false
    zwave_neighbours    2,3,4,6,7,8,9,11,14,15,16,18,21,26,30,31,35
    zwave_listening    true
    zwave_plus_devicetype    NODE_TYPE_ZWAVEPLUS_NODE
    zwave_version    5.22
    zwave_deviceid    12345
    zwave_nodeid    34
    zwave_lastheal    2022-06-12T08:18:01Z
    zwave_routing    true
    zwave_plus_roletype    ROLE_TYPE_SLAVE_ALWAYS_ON
    zwave_beaming    true
    zwave_secure    false
    zwave_class_specific    SPECIFIC_TYPE_POWER_SWITCH_BINARY
    zwave_devicetype    20562
    zwave_manufacturer    99

So, is this just something that can be updated somehow?
Let me know my next steps.
Thanks
Todd

apella12 · June 13, 2022, 1:27am

If I were you I would go to the database and check out the parameters and endpoints of the device I pointed out versus your manual. If they match you can simply add 5052:3039 to the list of references.

If not, you will need to find the XML it should be in openhab-userdata/zwave, but that depends on how you installed OH.

If you do not have Db access follow the guide provided above.

Bob