If you’re local to the network, sure, but being remote its a pita. It just needs priotising to be fixed. Personally, it seems very detrimental to the project - not having the premier UI available via Apple. I’m surprised the project tolerates it for so long
Its like ‘Oh, OH3 is out and its got this great UI… but it doesnt work on Apple IOS’
Sorry, but this is not possible. All devs are volunteers, therefore they cannot be told to do something in their spare time.
Even remote access to MainUI is working on iOS via VPN. It is not to hard to setup.
Sorry but thats not a solution, defeats the purpose of myopenhab.org
of course its possible, get the foundation to divert new features to fixing bugs!!!
No, the foundation is not involved in or responsible for development, please check our constitution.
What you could do, place a bounty on the issue, perhaps it might attract some devs to spend their free time on it.
This is not the way to get what you want. That said as a full time software developer and a software developer for open source projects the thing that gets my time is as follows
That said
Is a great way to incentivize the issue to get more traction on it. Most open source developers love money. Bounties typically work if worth it.
The foundation and the open source project are separate. Demanding one from the other is like going to the bank and demanding they change the color of the money. One uses and helps drive the other but ultimately doesn’t control it.
What I want? It should be what the PROJECT wants. How can the project deem it acceptable to leave a HUGE bug, that is limit Apple users from using MAIN UI the UI which has been pushed as a replacement for every UI, touting how fantastic it is with all the widgets etc . I mean, what is the purpose of myopenhab.org if you cant even access your system using an Apple?
This isn’t just a bug, in my view its a critical fault with the project that just makes the whole affair rather amateurish.
I’m surprised the foundation, committee whatever it is tolerates it.
Kris, I can completely understand your frustration about the IOS Client for sure. What I don’t get is your aggressive “I WANT” and “YOU ARE OBLIGED TO” attitude here. This is a project by volunteers, driven by fun and enthusiasm that is (thankfully) given to other people for free. Yes, there are a lot of things I disagree with or not happy with, but it is as it is and I am happy that it does most of the things I would expect it to do extremely well.
I am not a developer, but I can imagine how many hours they are spending on that project… just to get screamed at by people like you… how have people become so entitled? The project and the people owe you absolutely nothing.
If you want to be entitled to demand things, go and buy a commercial product with a service contract and have fun screaming at the developers. But as long as you are only benefitting from other peoples work without paying a dime, you might want to think about your attitude.
Being curious…what would you consider “reasonable” ? Maybe we can all put money in a pot and convince Kyle to do the work ? (as per his post, money is his number one motivation for spending time on the project ;-))
That’s what bounty’s are for. Everyone can donate money to an issue. If the amount attracts a developer and he solves the issue, donators have to confirm and payment process via PayPal starts…
I personally would tackle it as my wife is apple and the app doesn’t support the uis I make. My primary development is not swift so would take me a while to do the task. That said I know many dev in open source that do bounties and that are primarily mobile devs. I couldn’t speak to what is reasonable for them but normally a bounty is what it is worth to you. A coffee ($5) etc. I’ve seen bounties at that price or all the way up to hundreds. All about what people value it at.
Pooling or multiple bounties are also a way to really draw attention.
This thread has seemingly become what you want. There are foundation members replying saying that while it isn’t ideal at the moment it is understood and ultimately acceptable. As also previously stated it is not preventing apple users it is only changing how they are able to.
As for the purpose of the web connector and that being utilized. It is not the main goal of the foundation to host that. It’s also under zero sla zero contract that it will be available, working, or exist for x time.
In the end volunteers as stated countless times in this forum, thread, other threads make up the development team. All have day jobs, families, real lives. There are a few of us that do dedicate a lot of our free time to development of projects that aren’t ours, from our day job, or pay us in any way at all. It’s a hobby for us and a hobby for many. Hobbies are to be fun and not driven by others dictate. Does that cause problems yes. Is it perfect no. In the end if we enjoy the project we will contribute what we can. And if an area is paying then extra cash is nice.
All of this to say threads like this typically drive devs away cause they are less constructive and more annoying. The thread isn’t asking how people can help (testing devices, money, build machines, service fees, etc) but complaining how a group of volunteers are doing their jobs to someone’s standard. And given it clearly bugs a person will stick it to them and not do it knowing the person complaining can’t do it either.
Many a projects have collapsed because of community toxicity and devs leave cause it became a second job.
Only if you allow it to be perceived like this. There are many people on this planet who are just negative in their personality. Does not mean you need to let them drag you down or take their misery too serious 
Yea, this is the main thing a lot of people don’t understand. Standards aren’t universal, so isn’t even wrong or right… it is a mixture of culture, personal beliefs, peer pressure, social expectations and a lot more things. So my standards are exactly this, MINE. So everyone should accept, that there are others that perceive THEIR standards as valid, so who am I to force mine on somebody else as the only valid one in the universe…? Again, don’t take anyone else’s opinion as facts you have to comply to.
True as well. But as I said in the beginning, only because people take other people’s comments or complaints as valid and let them dictate their emotions. Brush it off as what it is, just another opinion that is based on different values, which makes it as valid as your own views. But not an absolute truth or some order you have to obey. So Relax
On a personal note: I am using OH since 1.7 and had my fair share of highs and lows with it, be sure. I tested IP Symcon, IOBroker and Homeassistant whenever something bugged me in OH. I always came back, because for my setup OH was the most stable of all. The community, though very demanding, was always very helpful and the tone was almost always very polite. Especially the politeness was and is something that I was missing in the other communities quite often. So once again a big thank you to all the devs and other contributors of this project. Forgive me if I wished you to hell several times when I sat there at night, trying to figure out what changed in the last release so I had to start from scratch (remember the KNX binding from 1.8 to 2… geee). In the end, this has been and still is a surprisingly professional, well thought out and quite stable project, especially given that it is a hobby for the people here.
So whenever someone just plainly complains or demands, always remember that the negative few most often are unfortunately the loudest as well. Does not mean they are the most important though… you can’t make it right for everyone, otherwise the world would be boring
Edit: Would still be nice to have a working IOS Client. So if a 25$ Starbucks Giftcard is a motivation for somebody, I would provide one if it helps 
Has anyone actually posted a bounty somewhere that we could support? I’d be more than happy to give a few bucks myself if some extra motivation is all that is needed 
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@hmerk could you provide detailed steps to set up a bounty in such a way where multiple users can pledge/donate x amount of money to it, to pool the amount defined?
Did you read this ?
Actually I tried to stay away from bountysource after they decided to keep posted bounties for themselves after two years without an accepted solution. I read about this in the Nextcloud community a while ago: Don't use bountysource anymore! - 🏷️ General - Nextcloud community
However I don’t know whether the situation has changed since or if there are other alternatives. All I know is that I cannot find any openHAB related bounties on their platform right now.
If you check the code page of our repos and scroll down to the read me, you will see the bounty badge listing how many was put in…
Thank you, I found it! I was using the search function on bountysource before and could not find anything…
I did, my question was, since I’m not familiar with it, is it possible to create a bounty where multiple users can pledge x amount to the total??
Definitely. Once a bounty is created, many users can pay into that bounty and increase the sum of it.
